Skill-Matching and Tier Movement

[symmetry]

i hate how quake has evolved into this tier crap. There arent any games to play anymore. Back in the day, half the fun of quake was getting murdered and watching good people play. Now nobody will improve.

[*LukeyLDN]

Use ur brain seriously do u understand the work that has to go in to working those mechanics!? no u dont! and on what i would imagine is not a huge bank balance either so cut them some slacks u simpletons and skill up or move out! or put up and shut up!

This is about right.
How big is the playerbase at the moment? Must be a hell of a job to work out a algorithim to take into account the different game types, skill levels, max server players etc.

I think they are doing a good job. You are always going to get lonely dick heads "slumming" because it makes them feel good.

Also the only way you are going to learn to get better is to get beat... a lot.

[Lolzy]

Come on guys, stop whining. You want a godly system with capabilities of producing a perfect match for you. I'm sorry to disappoint you, but this is not going to happen.
Given all the obstacles which a tiering system faces, their crown jewel being proper measurement of player's skills, I'd say the devs did a very impressive job at making it rather level for most of us.

And pliiiiz you can really guess who's a veteran and who's a newb - vets never whine at getting beat up (unless they're slummers, yeah them get hurt a lot), because they know the deal with Quake. You will get beaten, smashed, humiliated, destroyed, minced, pulverized, teabagged, gauntleted and teabagged, massacred, railed, railed again - and its completely normal. You either learn to play or fall off the ladder and end up as a cannon fodder. Now we've got a much better tiering algorithm so the matches are more even. In most of my matches played lately it was several frags difference between us in top five. B4 the tiering update I participated in matches where I or somebody else ended up with a +20 gap between me and the second guy. So yeah, it doesnt work yadda yadda. Good luck with that ideology.

[*Verizon]

of 8 ctf games 4 go/went 8-0 8-1 or 8-2 ... for simple reasons:
one team had all the low tier4s (~20 acc or even worse... i know its not all about aim, but people completely without it are n o help), the other got the better ones. s h u f f l e d i must add. it usually takes 3-4 shuffles until teams look even worth playing (to those who know all players) - but youre lucky to get any shuffle at all, and after the first most people say "hey we already did shuffle... stop voting ffs" - so teams wont be balanced.

you refer to ffa with that 20 frag gaps and stuff, but please take other modes into consideration - for ctf the skillsystem just sucks.
and the real problem is, there are no reasons whatsoever why it looks so bad (sad sad truth)

a) PROHIBIT tier 1/2 joining. they are not "dangerous combatants refining the craft", they are playing ping 200 with a touchpad and monitor off. if you want to balance games and seperate the players, please restrict movement in BOTH directions.

b) stop dumping all new accounts into tier 3 please. how many accs (percentage???) really stay in the hightiers after trial time?
i would guess slummers may make 2/10 or 3/10 new accounts maximum. to prevent this "slumming" you drop 7/10 8/10 complete newbs in the hightiers to mess up games there? Yeah, nice idea

c) you said the system was as easy as such "if youre last on the scoreboard nearly every game you get tiered down quickly (score over time ratio)".
why doesnt this happen? You can see the same lowskill player on your regular ctf servers several matches daily, he always ends up as one of the last 2 players with a kill/death ratio of 20/55 and score <200... but if you check his profile it turns out he really is supposed to be tier 4... ***!?

d) either widen the skillrating (far above 100) or make it difficult to achieve values 90-100. every mediocre player gets those, and when eight of ten people are ranked 95-100 although the real skilldifference is i n s a n e, of course an automated system such as shuffle cant handle it.

[*RiggerX]

of 8 ctf games 4 go/went 8-0 8-1 or 8-2 ... for simple reasons:
one team had all the low tier4s (~20 acc or even worse... i know its not all about aim, but people completely without it are n o help), the other got the better ones. s h u f f l e d i must add. it usually takes 3-4 shuffles until teams look even worth playing (to those who know all players) - but youre lucky to get any shuffle at all, and after the first most people say "hey we already did shuffle... stop voting ffs" - so teams wont be balanced.

you refer to ffa with that 20 frag gaps and stuff, but please take other modes into consideration - for ctf the skillsystem just sucks.
and the real problem is, there are no reasons whatsoever why it looks so bad (sad sad truth)

a) PROHIBIT tier 1/2 joining. they are not "dangerous combatants refining the craft", they are playing ping 200 with a touchpad and monitor off. if you want to balance games and seperate the players, please restrict movement in BOTH directions.

b) stop dumping all new accounts into tier 3 please. how many accs (percentage???) really stay in the hightiers after trial time?
i would guess slummers may make 2/10 or 3/10 new accounts maximum. to prevent this "slumming" you drop 7/10 8/10 complete newbs in the hightiers to mess up games there? Yeah, nice idea

c) you said the system was as easy as such "if youre last on the scoreboard nearly every game you get tiered down quickly (score over time ratio)".
why doesnt this happen? You can see the same lowskill player on your regular ctf servers several matches daily, he always ends up as one of the last 2 players with a kill/death ratio of 20/55 and score <200... but if you check his profile it turns out he really is supposed to be tier 4... ***!?

d) either widen the skillrating (far above 100) or make it difficult to achieve values 90-100. every mediocre player gets those, and when eight of ten people are ranked 95-100 although the real skilldifference is i n s a n e, of course an automated system such as shuffle cant handle it.

I don't know what you did to Verizon... but that post was absolutely brilliant. He is going to be very pissed when he finds out you hijacked his account!!! LOL

[mouly]

The biggest problem unbalancing tier 4 ctf games is lower skilled players joining
and also the game starting without the teams beeing full because then it ends up 4 vs 3 or 5vs 4.

[*Verizon]

I don't know what you did to Verizon... but that post was absolutely brilliant. He is going to be very pissed when he finds out you hijacked his account!!! LOL

Ohhh pls...
you said you left already...
you promised you would as soon as sun is out...
and now youre trolling again :/

ofc my post is correct, as usual >.<

yes mouly exactly...
thats why those listed "changes" should have long been made.
prohibiting "slummers" to tier down, but allowing "newbs" to join highskill games.
iD = iDiots?

[*RiggerX]

The biggest problem unbalancing tier 4 ctf games is lower skilled players joining
and also the game starting without the teams beeing full because then it ends up 4 vs 3 or 5vs 4.

Problems with lower skill joining T4? I can't get (1) normal T3 game most nights because they are packed with/ dominated T4 players. Give me a break.

[*RiggerX]

I'm still here till my scrip runs out though not as often as the sun is coming out. I did really like that last post...and one more thing... your still arrogant eurotrash, but we love you anyway.

[*Verizon]

Im arrogant because you are whiney? Your pov is only one face of the coin, and you should at least realize this fact after debating that much.

Problems with lower skill joining T4? I can't get (1) normal T3 game most nights because they are packed with/ dominated T4 players. Give me a break.

What kind of argument ist that? YES, problems with lower skill joining T4.
Sure if a tier 4 joins tier 3 he is likely gonna be better than many there (as in: better than the "real" tier 3s), but at least hes aware of the fact and most have a reason to do so (like no alternatives, you say yourself tier 4 is empty at times but tier 3 heavily populated. If youre looking for an instant match at that time you will h a v e t o join tier 3. furthermore people said they join for certain maps, and if all tier 4s are running spacectf/vortex, which btw. is mainly populated by lowskills also since the real ones dont wanna play it, one joins tier 3 court/iron/siberia/troubled ).
Sure, downtiering is cruel... but does your logic really tell you uptiering wasnt nearly as much of an issue?

boy is it funny to have ping 200 guys joining tier 4 and responding "what, are you afraid? my ping is your advantage isnt it?" when you kickvote, guys going 1-30 and calling you "cheater/slummer" because they joined a "highskill[lmao, im not highskilled...] game" although they are obviously to bad to win against nightmare bots, not mentioning the 100s who drop in occasionaly asking "what is a tier? How do I Know what tier I am?" - as if "very difficult" wouldnt tell you enough that you are out of place, considering the fact it means you're tier 2 (which is completely noob)...

yes, youre problem of slumming is the only and real one, everybody who is bored playing 4v5/3v4 because some idiot joined, or gets to play a whole bunch of newbies though he went to the "best server" is automatically "arrogant trash" (if being european doesnt say enough).

Maaaan it hurts to read your **, srsly