List of things id software should be less lazy about.(everything wrong about QL)

[Lam]

... i applogize for so many edits... i just want to present the reply to OP as clear as possible. So he can try to understand.

I like that, do the same to my post! ;)

[*Broodjeham]

Diplodok,

1 and 2 are not in QL or they are not properly shown. although it says 9/10, the teamsize could still be 4, with 1 spectator, and one spectator slot remaining. Not sure what you are talking about here.

4, that's great, now public servers, because that's what people play on 80% of the time anyways.
5, Your uneducated response as well.
6, If my settings can cause such a bug, then those settings should be fixed or changed so it can't happen again, it's still an unsolved bug.
7, funny how you are complaining my answers are not descriptive enough, yet you give equally worthless answers in return.
9, It's not trolling, it's not funny. It still remains unfixed
10, I don't bother reading the paper, I'd rather watch the news, or read a news webpage.
11, These selfproclaimed trolls(which you know the names of), still ruin plenty of threads, and they are left unpunished. Not sure how you consider that doing your job.
12, I actually counted, I don't see any , maybe another bug that needs fixing.(and yes my filters are correctly set).
18, Just because you don't see it, doesn't mean other users don't either.
22, No **** sherlock, when I bought it, I expected real and more than 1 award, not some flimsy excuse of an award which you automatically get.
23, The abuse of not being able to kick for an entire match is far greater.
25, No it's not a joke. It's simply ensuring everyone has what they want.
28, Joining a server with 9/10 rounds is LAME. I would almost think people are smart enough to figure the reason behind #28 on their own.
30, Who said I wanted to "only" view full rounds. I don't want to be restricted to the servers I see by default.
32, /allready is a command, what's wrong to ask to automate this?
34, This I can agree with, funny how this "somewhat" contradicts your response to #9.
35, How about serving the user instead of restricting the user, this is exactly the reason modern day companies fail at making good games. They forget the customer "should" be king.
36, the old name would be QZDM6.
39, A base is a base, the enemy should not spawn there.

filo

3. Then why is this still disallowed on private servers
4. Good argument, but it doesn't solve the fact that people that it's very annoying to play with obviously obnoxious players.
5. Fail Argument, Quake Live currently is out of beta, but it plays like it's still very much a beta, balance changes should be made with careful consideration. Yet not considerating them at all, would be stupid.
11. That's why these selfproclaimed trolls are still on these forums
12. Perhaps, perhaps this could be votable as well.
13. I thought that programmers loved a good challenge, f.e a good profanity filter.
14. How is it suitable for teens, when it shows dating sites for 40 years+???
15. Perhaps, but who's to decide which tier needs it, and which doesn't?
31. It just goes back to the same map a lot, I think it should auto rotate to something a little bit more random
36. Why fix what wasn't broken?

[filo]

3. Then why is this still disallowed on private servers
Maybe becouse of the same reason? ... since private servers can be made available for others aswell. But i believe in time there will be more settings to choose from.

5. Fail Argument, Quake Live currently is out of beta, but it plays like it's still very much a beta, balance changes should be made with careful consideration. Yet not considerating them at all, would be stupid.
True, but its hard to distinguish weapon balance from player preference... and usualy people spam this forum with their preference, rather then an objective argument.

ie. ... some like using lg far more and are greatly annoyed by rocket splash/knockback, yet we dont know if they can even handle LG in a proper manner.

11. That's why these selfproclaimed trolls are still on these forums
You have to be aware that even if we get rid of all the trolls we know of, there will allways be new ones, no matter how much you try. (basicly its the way internet works)

12. Perhaps, perhaps this could be votable as well.
You can allready bypass ranking system with private servers. But removing tier system completly from public, would do far more damage.

13. I thought that programmers loved a good challenge, f.e a good profanity filter.
Touche ... who knows what the future holds.

14. How is it suitable for teens, when it shows dating sites for 40 years+???
Well tbh there arent only teens playing this game. But that aside... what is wrong with dating? Are you saying teens are allow to date and others arent?... tbh i cant even believe people are bothered with the ads and what age are the ads targeting. So people need to get over this one. Becouse it just doenst matter

15. Perhaps, but who's to decide which tier needs it, and which doesn't?
Well in general spawn protection is meant for new players, so it is logical to set it in lower tiers -tier 1 maybe even tier 2.

31. It just goes back to the same map a lot, I think it should auto rotate to something a little bit more random.
Maybe you are right, maybe it should random rotate, but the truth is people vote regardless of what map was, is and will be.

36. Why fix what wasn't broken?
Well i cant say if it was broken or not, but i can say i like it becouse it makes the game more dynamic... so now even the guy that was defending will go to attack mode and in CTF as a team game... the guy that was attacking before needs to fill in hte missing slot or who ever available... and this can lead to greater team communication.

[KiteX3]

Diplodok,

1 and 2 are not in QL or they are not properly shown. although it says 9/10, the teamsize could still be 4, with 1 spectator, and one spectator slot remaining. Not sure what you are talking about here.

No, that would be a 9/8 server. You're waiting through a 15s ad, a lot of stuff can change between clicking join and actually joining. Like a callvote to teamsize 5. Plus the server preview you see may not have updated in a while. All servers now can contain a maximum of 16 clients...if the #/# were not reflective of teamsize, but rather of sv_maxClients, you would always and only see #/16 servers (except for FFA), which is not the case.

[Lam]

although it says 9/10, the teamsize could still be 4 - no, it would say 9/8 then. You have to remember that server browser can show state from a minute or two ago, so if you join and teamsize is lower that means they voted in the meantime.

4, that's great, now public servers - no, you wouldn't want me kicking you mid-game just to give you an undeserved quit, so I don't want you to do the same to me.

6, If my settings can cause such a bug, then those settings should be fixed or changed so it can't happen again, it's still an unsolved bug. - OK, I agree, I'm actually affected by this myself (but Linux port never had working fast fullscreen, so I shouldn't complain)

7, funny how you are complaining my answers are not descriptive enough, yet you give equally worthless answers in return. - ok, read your line again: "Just because very little players play TDM, doesn't mean there should be a shortage of games to join." - my better response will be: I see plenty of games to join... if I want to warmup by myself. There is no way id can make more games running if people don't want to play the mode.

9, It's not trolling, it's not funny. It still remains unfixed - only pro subscribers can invite standard friends to premium games. It's like that by design. That's the only use I have for my pro subscription, so it worked at least for me. It's a business decision to offer this possibility to people who pay more (but $4 a month still isn't much), so we can only accept that and think if our need for this feature justifies additional cost.

10, I don't bother reading the paper, I'd rather watch the news, or read a news webpage. - news TV stations (those are paid) have ads. News web pages have ads (and more often than not have paid archives). Ads help offset running costs and if there was no ads, you'd have to pay more. It's the same for QL - standard users get more ads (and more intrusive ones), paying customers get only stuff around the main content.

11, These selfproclaimed trolls(which you know the names of), still ruin plenty of threads, and they are left unpunished. Not sure how you consider that doing your job. - if I punish someone for going off-topic, that wouldn't be moderation but just silencing people and shutting down any discussion. Some people would like that, but most wouldn't. Our job is only to keep people within forum rules and keep things Quake-related.

12, I actually counted, I don't see any :), maybe another bug that needs fixing.(and yes my filters are correctly set). - I've researched this subject a little - you need to set your filters better :) Reason: empty unrestricted servers are shown down below everything else. So you see "skill matched", then "more challenging", then "your skill higher", and only then the unrestricted ones. QL limits number of servers shown to 50, so for all game types beside TDM, I don't see unrestricted servers in "your vicinity", but if I select a location, they are there for all game modes. That's the only problem.

22, No **** sherlock, when I bought it, I expected real and more than 1 award, not some flimsy excuse of an award which you automatically get. - I feel why you're disappointed, but you have to admit there are 2 awards to get, so they didn't lie. You just wanted it to mean more than it said. Don't be angry, nobody is saying there won't be more in the future. Awards are fun and I'm with you :)

23, The abuse of not being able to kick for an entire match is far greater. - depends on why you want to kick the guy. I've been kicked for spectating after spec slots were introduced (maybe they didn't know), I was kicked for trying to play on pub servers where a clan was organizing a match (that's exactly who should get a pro subscription - they need _private_ server and not ban everyone who wants to play on open public servers), I was also kicked for being a mod once! :) If you're talking about team killers, that's another thing and I have to agree, but since QL can't tell why are you kicking someone, we'll have to wait for the promised ETQW system to be ported to QL.

25, No it's not a joke. It's simply ensuring everyone has what they want. - ok, but only if you stop them from respawning in warmup until they vote. Otherwise, you'll just see servers emptying because people are stuck on a bad map and nobody can force some players to vote.

28, Joining a server with 9/10 rounds is LAME. I would almost think people are smart enough to figure the reason behind #28 on their own. - but is there an overall round limit in CA? I admit I haven't played it in a while, but in my time there was only a limit of rounds to win. Game could take 100 draw rounds before they pushed it to 10:9 score... What don't I understand?

30, Who said I wanted to "only" view full rounds. I don't want to be restricted to the servers I see by default. - I was just mentioning that it's possible, because you obviously didn't know that. Only now you also want to see both populated AND empty in one view and I agree with this! But before they add this, you can just switch between "all populated" and "any game state" with only two clicks, it's better than nothing and satisfies your original suggestion.

32, /allready is a command, what's wrong to ask to automate this? - Automate? How? Start game before everyone joins? Start when teams are full but before shuffle? Shuffle automatically and start? What if someone played last map, wanted to leave but loaded the new map already? He'll just leave in countdown.

People on the server know better if they need to do something before match can start, so I prefer to leave that to them. And since it's a command, it can be bound to a key and called whenever you think the game should start (but not before). IMHO that's a better solution.

34, This I can agree with, funny how this "somewhat" contradicts your response to #9. - absolutely not - this is to help pro subscribers to use their powers (do what they paid for). #9 was about giving the same possibility even to premium subscribers.

35, How about serving the user instead of restricting the user, this is exactly the reason modern day companies fail at making good games. They forget the customer "should" be king. - this is invalid. Some people want 8 dmg LG, some people want Q2 BFG back, I want a chaingun on Japanese Castles... you can't serve everyone :)

36, the old name would be QZDM6. - that's the newest it ever had. But my question was about Beyond Reality. Don't answer - you know you need to push your own definition of "old" in order to win this argument :)

39, A base is a base, the enemy should not spawn there. - depends on definition of base - in both maps it's rather antechamber or something :) I'm not decided on this change, but I've seen pro CTF-ers talk about such spawns adding to the game (you have a chance to intercept EFC or make a cross grab) and I guess they know better, right?

[datagram]

1. Teamsize should be seen in the browser, plus the available spectator slots
2. Dedicated spectator slots
3. Being able to callvote timelimit, amount of frags/rounds/flags.
4. Being able to kick somebody midgame
5. RL's Rocket UPS reduced
6. Fix the second unneeded reload of the map when viewing ads, they are already annoying and gamebreaking enough.
7. Just because very little players play TDM, doesn't mean there should be a shortage of games to join.
8. Fix the empty duel servers all being a very high tier.
9. Get rid of the pro invitation limit, instead put one on premium
10. Get rid of ads on webpage for members who have subscribed.
11. Moderators are way too lazy, actually do your job for a change.
12. When #4 gets fixed, remove skilltier limitations, everybody should be able to play with everybody.
13. Allow Private servers to set their own name.
14. Make ads more suitable to the age it's displayed to.
15. Fix Freezetag, huge topic already stickied
16. Change Spark colour
17. Give Private servers the possibility to run custom maps.
18. Fix the windowed mode bug.
19. Give the possibility to turn off stats tracking
20. Give the possibility to turn off stats tracking on private server level.
21. Remove spawnprotection from public games
22. Give pro/premium users the "new" awards they were promised
23. Fix kicking, the person should not be allowed to return for the entire match.
24. Fix callvote spamming for the same map or person.
25. Don't timeout votes until everybody has voted
26. Remove the teamswitch timelimit in Private servers.
27. Give us the ability to sort out the friendslist.
28. Give us an easier visual display of how many rounds have already been played in the server browser.
29. Fix the ELO system, it is broken in every way.
30. Let us see full servers, and let us join them as spectators.
31. Fix the map rotation, it should not rotate to the same map everytime
32. Allow the possibility to remove warmup from private servers.
33. Make the private server browser easier to find.
34. Allow standard users to play on premium servers that contain normal maps, but don't allow standard users to vote for map on premium servers.
35. Allow for old names to be used in /callvote or /map such as qzdm6
36. Display the old map name along with the full name
37. Public Instafreeze servers, with railgun jump.
38. Allow for grapplehook on private servers.
39. Get rid of the spawn inside the enemy base on Courtyard Conundrum
40. If the map has a different QUAD/Powerup spawn time, display this during loading.
41. Make filtering gamemodes, with checkboxes instead of just one gamemode.

Yes to 3, 4, 5, 6, 10, 13, 15, 19, 20, 21 for CA, 24, 33 (show Private games in the list if they are not restricted), 37 (especially rail jump), 38 (grapple hook is already available in practice matches), 41 (definitely need a better server browser)

The others either have been addressed already or are not needed/worth the time.

4, that's great, now public servers - no, you wouldn't want me kicking you mid-game just to give you an undeserved quit, so I don't want you to do the same to me.

4. This cvar is to double edged, so id is atm keeping it out. -Being able to kick somebody midgame

How is it double-edged, and where has id said they are leaving it out for a specific reason? It is definitely needed, and this thread discusses many solutions to the problem of it being abused.

23, The abuse of not being able to kick for an entire match is far greater. - depends on why you want to kick the guy. I've been kicked for spectating after spec slots were introduced (maybe they didn't know), I was kicked for trying to play on pub servers where a clan was organizing a match (that's exactly who should get a pro subscription - they need _private_ server and not ban everyone who wants to play on open public servers), I was also kicked for being a mod once! If you're talking about team killers, that's another thing and I have to agree, but since QL can't tell why are you kicking someone, we'll have to wait for the promised ETQW system to be ported to QL.

23. I agree. -. Fix kicking, the person should not be allowed to return for the entire match.

Again, in the thread I just mentioned, similar things are discussed. I think it should be 2 kicks for a temporary server ban rather than just 1.

38. For grappling hook it was said that it wont be implemented. Allow for grapplehook on private servers.

Actually grapple hook has already been implemented. In this thread, you can find instructions on how to enable it in a practice match. So because it's already there, they should just make it an option for Pro servers.

10, I don't bother reading the paper, I'd rather watch the news, or read a news webpage. - news TV stations (those are paid) have ads. News web pages have ads (and more often than not have paid archives). Ads help offset running costs and if there was no ads, you'd have to pay more. It's the same for QL - standard users get more ads (and more intrusive ones), paying customers get only stuff around the main content.

All the sites I can think of that have free/paid subscriptions do not run ads for the paying customers. This thread discusses why paid users (or at least Pro) should not have any ads whatsoever, as well as how it might be possible.

[Turbulence]

1. Add Paypal and other payment options.

2. Keep listening to the players, fixing their problems & staying in it for the long haul, theres a long prosperous future ahead of us.

3. Keep up the good work and /ignore the whiners, Thanks for fixing so many problems already and progressing forward to better things




stay posative

[Turbulence]

Bump : 2 months on : Sorry to some of my Friends but your now offically gone from my friends list. Now we are playing clan matches and i'm getting shot as i lag as a friend comes online Its no fun at all and the enjoyment of the whole QL experience goes out the window.

So i've had to delete quite alot of Friends old & new ones i've made over the last 2 years. =/ All we want is to disable friendslist during important games. maybe just for pro/premium account holders only ? afterall Adverts are disabled, if its not possible i'll only have people i really need in my friends list. i was thinking of only having the clan leaders and no others and deleting them before an important match and adding them again after. :S

I hope this situation can be looked at and something canbe done maybe.


PS : could you please have a look at the FreezeTag Suggestions or get someone on it.

Cheers

[Lorfa]

Long list

1. You can kind of see the teamsize already. Spectator slots could just be made the to be the same relative to the teamsize, as in a fixed max clients.

2. See #1

3. Ok but there's a problem here, and that's with the stats. If you change the timelimit/frags/caps it changes the nature of the gametype. Not all players are competing within the same framework of the gametype. This could be fixed if such changes rendered the server unranked.

4. There is an abuse concern with this one. That and in-game vote spam. This is probably worse than the way it is now.

5. Absolutely not. Get out of town.

6. Ok.

7. I wasn't aware there was a shortage of TDM servers.

8. Does this result in you not being able to see them? If so, it definitely needs a fix. Otherwise I say just ignore the skill level for unranked servers.

9. It has to have a limit or it would be become moot as a selling point. Not that it is much of a selling point already, but they need all they can get.

10. Is this really such a problem? I don't even notice them. They are very out of the way and this makes it so that their ads get more hits which = more money.

11. I disagree.

12. It would be fine with me, but have you read the posts on this forum? A lot of players are upset by higher rated players entering their lower rated games. What is your solution for them?

13. Again, fine with me. I suppose they were concerned about some abuse, not sure. After all I would think that the website itself is still under the ESRB, even if in-game chat is not. So it would probably need some kind of language filter.

14. Fine with me, but you must realize that applying restrictions on who can advertise may reduce the number of advertisers, which means less money.

15. I agree. As it is now I find freeze rather boring.

16. Fine by me.

17. This one has a problem because of the legal issues involved in using maps that Id doesn't own or hasn't worked out some kind of deal with. I'm all for it, but there's a reason that something like this hasn't happened already.

18. I would never disagree with a bug fix.

19. This would render stats unreliable since players would simply turn them off if there was any chance they would lose the game. It would result in what is tantamount to abuse in my opinion.

20. This one is more circumspect, but I still consider it somewhat controversial.

21. I was against this being implemented so I say fine.

22. They did add new awards. I'm not sure what exactly you are referring to.

23. There is a serious abuse concern here. It is not safe to assume that everyone who is kicked deserves it. Besides, as it is kicking is not allowed during the match, only before it begins. Does this rule apply until after the next match played is finished? That could ban a player from a server for a long time if the server goes idle.

24. I'd be fine with some kind of floodprot on this. Sometimes voting something a couple times is important though. Spam is not good I agree.

25. What if someone never votes? C'mon.

26. Or have an option to disable it.

27. You'd have to elaborate on this one.

28. Fine by me. I don't consider it that difficult to see as it is though.

29. No comment. You can debate this one endlessly in the general discussion if you wish.

30. Fine by me.

31. If it actually does this, I agree. I haven't personally encountered this happening though.

32. Remove warmup?? How would that work?

33. Fine by me.

34. Would they be kicked if it got switched to a premium map because the majority of the users had premium? I understand your reasoning though, I think it should be seriously considered.

35. Fine by me. I was personally against the name changeover thing.

36. Ok but it might get a little crowded in some of those menus.

37. No opinion.

38. Although I'm personally violently opposed to a grapple hook in fps games, I don't see why not. Although the grapple is not really implemented in ql at this time. I know you can \give grapplehook but it is obviously not complete.

39. Not educated enough about this one to have an opinion.

40. I don't think this is really necessary. I mean studying the game and its events is part of improving. A lot of newer players aren't that focused on timing items anyways.

41. Fine by me.

[mrkzjn]

14. Make ads more suitable to the age it's displayed to.

And they removed the few blood that characters had, oh.. the irony.