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    Thumbs up Respect...

    I know this might not go very far, and that most people will likely ignore it. But I still feel like saying something, in hope to maybe inspire some of you.

    Since I started playing quake, from the very beginning I've noticed the behavior in players / gamers. The disrespect that is displayed everyday, to people that "you" haven't even met before. One thing is the casual typical friendly taunts, another is the specific bullying of a person. Some new guy/girl eager to play, basically a newbie. Who enters a server in hope of doing some fraggin, and have a good time. Obviously not very skilled yet, and an easy target for veterans and regular players.

    Already a few minutes in, that newbie is being bullied, outcasted, yelled at, and or kicked out of the server. Without having a chance to defend him/herself, without a reason, with a warning or a friendly "hint".

    Yes it's annoying, yes it can be fustrating to have a "newbie" on your team. But on what level does that give you the right to be insulting, arrogant, and downright disrespectful to that person? I know some of you are younger of age, and haven't learned the trade of respect and manners. However, there are players of 'veteran' status, that do this too. I am appalled to see this over and over again, and it fustrates me to a point- Where I don't feel like playing.

    Is this a new tendency in online gaming? No, I am aware of this. But that dosen't justify your behavior towards other players, and I only hope this changes sometime in the future. Preferably right now.

    It's wishful thinking, I know- One may always hope.

    I am not here to preach, or tell someone off. I just want to bring awareness to this, and inspire changes. There are NO need for this type of behavior, NO need for your arrogance and I hope you consider changing your way. We are all here to have a good time, play a game that some of us have played for decade and more.

    Have some freaking respect, keep a good tone, and practice your patience.

    It's really not that hard. Grow up.

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    Solid post. Emotions run high in tournaments and it's because something is on the line- money, pride etc. However, online matches, pub games in particular, shouldn't be this environment. It feels bad to lose, but winning and losing is a part of life. Nobody wins all the time. Taking out your frustration on somebody or yourself is the wrong action. Mistakes and losses are always something you can learn from and improve yourself. Anyway, for some players it's best to avoid chat altogether and focus on the game. You can block a player or submit a demo they're harassing you. Wish everybody would have a little more fun.

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    Thank you, and your right on point. And especially considering, that QL is struggling to increase the memberbase.
    I would exspect veterans to act veteran, invite players, show them the ropes and carry a certain level of patience and indulgence.
    YOU are the more experienced player, so show it. Experience isen't just skills, it's much more.

    And for gods sake, try asking people to spectate first- instead of just kicking them. It's rude and you come off as a DICK for doing it.

    Thanks for your input / feedback Retribution! It's important that people support this, so we can spread the message better.

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    Amen.

    Is this a new tendency in online gaming?
    This is a new tendency in public relations. Sad but true.
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    There are many experienced players around giving advice and stuff. But a newbie who starts the game plays with other newbies. He's usually harassed by them, not necessarily by veteran players.

    What I'm trying to say is, don't categorize behavior by skill. It's not just black and white. I've seen countless T3 pub hero newbies insulting seasoned/better players without a reason instead of asking nicely for advice. Many new players coming from other games have a hard time adapting to the massive skill gaps in quake.

    In the end there are always good mannered and bad mannered players.

    However, I agree with retribution. Most players should take pub games for what they are and stop acting like they are playing QCon finals...
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    you ask for respect and at the same time project a certain behavior to a whole community

    "skill matched" servers don't work, at the same time I'll type fu and feel pretty good about it

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    this quote fits in here.

    Quote Originally Posted by the_devil View Post
    I found the friendliest community to be from Quake 1. Most probably because FPS gaming was a novelty back then and to me and many of the other players I got to know, it was inspiring to interact with other human beings in a virtual world, each controlling a character and shooting at each other. Winning was not as important as it was to rejoice in how far technology had come.

    Fast forward 18 odd years and you have kiddies who take most things for granted and are shielded from interating socially with real people and feel that the golden rule (treat others they way you would like to be treated) does not apply online

    Furthermore, it is not a set of 'friendly' players that will bring in new players into the game. If that were the case, there would be hordes of people taking up knitting classes and meeting those oh so freindly, but lonely grannies needing friends to socialise with.

    Financial incentive and marketing is what you need. Smack talk (as the americans call it) and personalities are also an attraction. Everyone loves the good guy vs bad guy drama. I'd be quite annoyed if I joined a server and didn't have another player to dislike on the server or be amused at seeing another player rage quit, or having a player I would like to beat so I could gloat afterwards. You see the reason most people are attracted to quakelive is the human interaction mixed with skill. Without this human interaction, the abusive behaviour and various chracters, this game would be dead very quickly indeed.

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    most people are attracted to quakelive is the human interaction mixed with skill. Without this human interaction, the abusive behaviour and various chracters, this game would be dead very quickly indeed.
    I am not attracted by abusive behavior IRL, so why QL has to be more attractive to me having these people around?
    I've played sim racing a lot back in a day (it has a solid community as well), and abusive behavior was never encouraged.

    I need drama, but in-game (insane shots, comebacks, many OT's), not around it. Just as much as I liked drama in LFS/iRacing - great overtakes, defensive trajectory crossings, powerful drafting and superb trail-breaking. Everything directly connected to gameplay.
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    Quote Originally Posted by malk_ View Post
    There are many experienced players around giving advice and stuff. But a newbie who starts the game plays with other newbies. He's usually harassed by them, not necessarily by veteran players.

    * Not just vets, but regs and others aswell.

    What I'm trying to say is, don't categorize behavior by skill. It's not just black and white. I've seen countless T3 pub hero newbies insulting seasoned/better players without a reason instead of asking nicely for advice. Many new players coming from other games have a hard time adapting to the massive skill gaps in quake.

    * I am not trying too either, but bring awareness to the situation. It can easily come off as a generalization, and it's not meant like that. My point is, there ARE vets acting like this. I am dissapointed in this, thats all.

    In the end there are always good mannered and bad mannered players.

    * True!

    However, I agree with retribution. Most players should take pub games for what they are and stop acting like they are playing QCon finals...


    @ korDeyn

    you ask for respect and at the same time project a certain behavior to a whole community "skill matched" servers don't work, at the same time I'll type fu and feel pretty good about it
    There are "unstricted servers too", and those people should exspect ALL various tiers to enter. If a player exspect to play with pro's, then goto skillmatched and play with pros. I ask for respect, as I think its a basic necessity for a good community keep running. It aint really that much to ask for is it?
    If I am "projecting" a certain behavior myself, for posting this topic. Then excuse me, wasen't my intentions. It's also in the "eye of the beholder", of how you perceive my intentions. I am not that gifted, that I can write in such a way that people understand my true intentions right of.

    The spoken word / sound / gestures are missing, so some of is lost.




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    Quake Live should have a way for you to report inappropriate behavior, in game. Having to stop what you're doing, record a demo, email it to ID, appears to be too much work for most which means most bad behavior isn't reported.

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