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    Quote Originally Posted by c3 View Post
    I've always been curious how quake physics would play out in open environments found in COD or BF3.
    http://www.quakelive.com/forum/showt...e-DeFrag-video
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    I hope that Zenimax won't shutdown QuakeLive because of financial reasons :O

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    My thoughts are Doom4 will happen, as Zenimax said (if article is to be believed here, at all).- The Doom games have a cultural impact, Doom3 was awesome when it was released and i am sure it sold well too, Doom4 in todays gaming market is bound to sell better than Doom3, look at TES:Oblivion sales vs TES:Morrowind.

    in-house drama is standard at ID Software, i dont intend to say this to oppress the developers freedom to speak their mind but it really is normal at ID Software.

    It was always ID Softwares goal to finish RAGE before Doom4, RAGE was released in 2011 with dissapointing figures, that's not even 2 years ago from when i wrote this. Doom4 will sell well when they get it done. Could've been in concept stage for several years, so when the article mentioned Doom4 being in development for 5 years that might include concept stage (small team drawing inspirational pictures)
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    Dunno, if Zenimax is forced to clean-up in ID, that's symptom of some serious issues imo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jigglyboobs View Post
    I'd really like to see Quake style physics in large open environments set in a Skyrim style world.
    Sup,

    Interesting ideas! Thank you for sharing.

    From quoting you above, that reminds me of ShootMania Storm, which you can find at the official website here and on Steam here. The open beta is going on as of this writing for free, and also as of this writing you can get a 10% discount for pre-purchasing the game on Steam.

    I have only watched footage of the game and haven't tried it out myself, but it does look to be popular. Pretty cool looking though.

    Here is a trailer for the open beta that shows off the game if you haven't seen it before: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=Ryzx5sqs5J4

    (00:33 - 00:55 is my favorite part of the trailer with that underground area. So cool.)

    Nice haha. Thank you for sharing that.

    Though I won't comment on how ShootMania Storm plays since I never tried it myself, I think Id Software could go this route with Quake in some respects, but also keep the classic arena-style we all enjoy.

    Here at IGN's IPL site, you have in the top right hand corner: "Fighters", "League of Legends", "ShootMania", and "StarCraft II". Not to talk down ShootMania Storm, but I think Quake should be up there. Also, I am pretty sure there are other sites like this out there too that have ShootMania Storm listed.

    There is a $100,000 tournament coming up as well: http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/04/...-100000-finals

    Id Software, if you are reading this...hopefully you are at least considering some of this stuff, if not for Quake Live, for Quake 5. Since you are presumably working on Doom 4 still (and keep up the great work!), keep an eye on ShootMania Storm...that could be key.



    Sincerely, IonicAftershock
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    hehe, a game with singleplayer mode, where people can upload their speedruns. me likes this

    actually, my tip @ id would be, make a NOLF 3
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    Quote Originally Posted by jigglyboobs View Post
    I'd really like to see Quake style physics in large open environments set in a Skyrim style world.
    I'm not sure about the outdoor/indoor part but I'll take Hexen3:Arena please.

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    I'd play the snot out of D4, but pleeeeease, no vehicles, time missions or escort-suicidal-imbecile missions.
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    From a purely gaming standpoint, I don't understand the need to constantly release new games and innovate. I understand it from a business perspective, but not a pure gameplay/gaming one. I mean, most folks compare e-sports to regular sports, right? How many non-e sports are constantly changing/innovating the base foundations of their game? None, maybe? Sure they "tweak" different aspects of their game and rules, etc., but the core experience and foundation remains the same.

    Why can't the gaming community embrace the idea of just creating the best possible, most pure FPS gaming environment with excellent foundations, movement, etc., and simply "tweak" what already exists? Why spend resources that could be used "perfecting" a game on creating an entirely new game with new fundamentals, foundations, etc.? No other sport works that way.

    Screw a Quake 5. Continue to make Quake Live the best possible game it can be. Who cares if it's "12 years old"? I think that's a good thing. Football/baseball/basketball, etc., are all over 100 years old. But people still play those games because they love them. If people get tired of playing a certain sport for a while, they can go play another one. Same with FPS games; if you get tired of the purity of the Quake Live fragging experience, go play COD or Halo for a while. Nothing wrong with that.

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    Sup isus_,

    Thank you for your thoughts, I appreciate them.

    You have a good point - if it isn't broken, why fix it? Your comparison to sports that have been around for years was also great.

    In my opinion, it really comes down to multiple reasons. You have mentioned one great view, and there are many others out there.

    Innovation is something that helps keep a company relevant in this changing day and age, but it also challenges developers and keeps things fresh for consumers...just to name a few.

    Depending on how accepting you are of the industry, there are so many great interactive experiences out there. Gaming (to use the umbrella term) is not just game-ing, but also an experience, adventure, escape, an artform, and so many others.

    Nintendo is a great example of this. Regardless of what you think of them, they have managed to keep Mario (and friends) relevant...but not just relevant in and of itself, but to introduce new gameplay and new creative experiences that can come out of that gameplay as well as new mechanics. Does this mean their old games aren't good anymore? Far from it! I will always enjoy Super Mario Bros. 3 for example, but I would like to play something new...and new might be more on the e-sports side or it might not...maybe a hybrid of the two, but I personally like them all.

    Yes, on one side it is a business, but if you pair that with developers who really enjoy challenging themselves to make new experiences for people to enjoy...well...you have something special.

    Basically, once a game enters the e-sports bubble, people don't want it to really change...and that isn't necessarily a bad thing, but not necessarily a good thing either. It really depends on how you look at it.

    There is a place for both approaches, and I see no reason for them to butt heads. Quake may just well be an e-sport that will be around for 100 years or more, and that's just fine, but gaming in its non-umbrella term is just one piece of our great industry.

    Thanks again for sharing.

    Sincerely, IonicAftershock
    Last edited by IonicAftershock; 04-05-2013 at 02:51 PM.
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