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Thread: Why Quake Live's death is imminent and it will never be considered a serious game.

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    Why Quake Live's death is imminent and it will never be considered a serious game.

    Quake Live could have been the first videogame ever to achieve immortality status. Instead it's sick on its deathbed.

    All established traditional games like football, tennis, snooker, pole vault, basketball, backgammon, chess etc. all went through various "proto" incarnations until they achieved "immortality" status and hit mainstream in a huge way. It was the the same with videogames, mostly due to technical limitations. Games only become extremely popular worldwide and culturally if their life expectancy is longer than 5 years or ideally immortal. This is why even stupid games like blackjack are popular.

    Quake Live could be at least as big as say.... Curling, which is an olympic sport. And what kid that was new to both would rather play darts instead of Quake Live, seriously???

    Quake 3 Arena was the one videogame that had the potential to be immortal, but it was still following the traditional industry model for videogames: get the money from the retail sales, take down free online after a while.

    Quake Live was the perfect solution: The "proto" game rules were improved and refined, with RG now brought back down to 80. The subscribers would pay for use of the server.... ie. the game could stay up indefinitely. id could become the ruling body of Quake Live and rake in millions. It would be a NEW way of thinking about competitive videogames, they could put it on CNN etc. A game with real credibility.

    So how could id possibly mess it up???

    1) Marketing, marketing, marketing. The biggest one by far. Releasing the game unfinished and without any publicity or marketing at all.

    2) Allowing it for free in a model that didn't work, and then Carmack stupidly promising that there would always be a "free option", when it's obvious there should be no free model at all.

    3) Cheating. Cheating will ruin any game. If everyone had to be subscribed and auto-banned on findings of cheating I'm pretty sure it would stop very fast.

    4) The computer and internet performance - if your computer or internet is giving an advantage/disadvantage, you should be warned about it!!! There are people going around with low FPS that are clueless that it's making a big difference. How can we be sure that having 125FPS means that your setup can't bring more advantages? You should also be warned about ANYTHING to do with your internet that's bad, not just ping.

    There should be a short, intensive test done on the ping and performance of both players before the game, and if necessary a warning given about how it's not going to be a fair game. The biggest joke would be if you had a player who could easily beat another getting easily beaten by them because of internet (especially where their ping looks decent) and setup.

    5) Allowing it subject to changes of any magnitude - who wants to play a game where the rules and strategies are always changing? The basic rules of chess haven't changed for over 500 years. Changing weapons, map layouts, spawns, even netcode.

    6) Having no visible or credible ELO system. qlranks gave the game a big shot in the arm when it was set up, id did nothing in response, it didn't set up its own similar elo system or do anything like that.

    This game didn't have to die... but it will.
    Last edited by Sasparillo; 12-12-2012 at 12:40 PM.
    Aways ensure you are maintaining a high FPS rate in QL. Otherwise you can be at a big disadvantage. To find out your current fps rate, use the command: "set cg_drawfps "1"".

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    Quake3/QL competitions have been around since 1999, quake1 since 1996, with other games of the genre replacing them from time to time but with the same players anyway (quake4, pk, etc.). Quake literally is the longest competitive videogame franchise in the world, so if anything this is the "inmortal" one.
    And btw next year is the 5 year anniversary of QL. You literally got every single of your facts wrong.

    I can tell you have 0 experience and knowledge on this matter since you don't address how e-sports and most real life sports work: it is all about marketing of products and games (money), nothing more. Once the bubble breaks there's another one to jump into, and considering videogames are the biggest form of entertainment money-wise then it's safe to say e-sports will never die.

    It has nothing to do with advertising a game to the casual audience (your 1st point), business model (2nd), cheating (3rd, and addressed on another thread on this forum. Tl;dr: version is there are practically 0 cheaters), setup (4th...and cmon), changing rules (5th, and balancing is of the essence) and ladders (6th. Those are for casuals).
    All those aspects are completely different from making a "serious" game and most aren't related to the one that matters the most longevity wise, which is keeping people playing, but there's always a limit in all videogames which is the second reason why people switch.


    edit: and finally, QL's competitive scene is not dead nor dying by any means whatsoever. I'd go as far as saying right now, late 2012, online competition-wise quake is more alive than ever, including early quake3.
    Check ESR for once: there are at least 4 tournaments going on every single day, and can even win money in online tournaments from monday to sunday. Furthermore in the last 40 or something days "we" had 2 international lans, then featured on the 2gd show and this sunday is the legends cup. You just didn't know, but you could easily since lots are advertised on this very forum (twitter updates).
    If anything, the only aspect that is dying in quake are lans and that's because the QL bubble finally burst exactly one week ago (dh dropped quake because of lazy players). The current money makers of this particular genre (fast paced fps games) are shootmania and nexuiz, which aren't pretty good games but anyway, and next one will be 2gd's reborn (which should be awesome) if they get financing to make the game in first place.

    edit2: well just checked your account. Shouldn't have bothered replying to a noob.
    Last edited by megaman3; 12-11-2012 at 07:34 PM.
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    Out of all that text...i see no valid points at all.
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    I think I've seen this before. Have I seen this before?

    Oh yeah, every week since I first started QL.

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    Why Quake Live's death is imminent
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_phenomenon

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    Quote Originally Posted by FlashSoul View Post
    quake will live on!

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    it is an inevitability for any game, except that i don't see
    the fast paced fps community going leaving any time soon, so from there quake will
    forever live on

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    Quote Originally Posted by FlashSoul View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Danstar View Post
    quake will live on!
    see you all on Bugarach servers on 22 Dec.

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    Quake is not game for casuals. That's important. Games die when they loose support (eg. Quake Wars - awesome title, abandoned).

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    What prompts people to start these threads? Quake Live is soona gonna be Quake Dead seems to be turning into a meme.
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