To Quake Live Developers: You guys are doing it wrong. Wrost Pay Model ever..........

[iSUCKatFPSnow]

This is probably one of the worst Free to Play games I've ever played.

You guys are killing your own game.

#1. Duels are completely dead.
#2. Free accounts cannot vote.
#3. $1.99 per month. Okay. But the forced purchase of 12 months via $24.99 required payment is why I don't bother.


Your way of making money is completely terrible. First off, your axiom of "Premium Account" just rapes Free-to-Play, so freebies (which is most players), will be quickly turned off.

So how do you make money? It's so simple. I can almost bet that the Quake Live Team would be making MUCH MORE CASH if they created a "Cash Shop" type payment system.

For instance, instead of offering Premium Accounts and dividing the limited community, start to create the following and launch them via cash shop. People will spend money on it:

Purchasable Player Character Models
Purchasable Huds
Purchasable Weapon Skins
Purchasable Taunts and Animations, e.g., Tea-Bagging, Middle-Finger.
Purchasable Theme Songs that can are played at the end of the game by the highest fragger on the winning team.
Purchasable Character Name Animations or Color

There is so much more you guys can be doing. At the moment, this is a complete crap-fest.

[megaman3]

iSUCKatFPSnow
Join Date Nov 2012

[pikaluva13]

iSUCKatFPSnow
Join Date Nov 2012

Let's give him credit for at least not writing a wall of text.
He did spell "worst" wrong though :<

I'd F2 that though. It removes a TON of content from the players in the process of doing this.

Huds: That'd mean you can't make your own hud and use it as you'd have to pay for other people's huds
Models: This would mean forcemodel would have to be removed
Weapon skins: This would probably mean that the gun would have to be forced on the screen in a fixed location

Everything else will remove the entire competitive aspect from the game and will make the game cartoony

[an00bis86]

In response to your suggestions, I submit the following:

1) The average Quake player has all the models forced to the wonderful green Keel. I can't see anyone paying for additional models.
2) A free community-made app exists that allows Quake players to build custom huds. I can't see anyone paying for content that can already be obtained freely.
3) The weapons aren't skinnable in QuakeLive AFAIK. Even if they were, I can't see anyone paying for additional weapon skins.
4) The average Quake player has taunts turned off. I can't see anyone paying for additional taunts. Furthermore, this game is rated T for Teen, so you would never see any taunts like what you're suggesting.
5) The average Quake player has music turned off, since it interferes with the in-game sounds of opposing player movements, etc. I can't see anyone paying for additional music.
6) Names can't be animated in QuakeLive AFAIK. Even if they were, I can't see anyone paying for animated names.

In the end, your suggestions are garbage, and would make id no money whatsoever. Quake isn't CoD, Halo, or CS, where people are foolishly parted from their money for such useless 'perks'.

[iSUCKatFPSnow]

In response to your suggestions, I submit the following:

1) The average Quake player has all the models forced to the wonderful green Keel. I can't see anyone paying for additional models.
2) A free community-made app exists that allows Quake players to build custom huds. I can't see anyone paying for content that can already be obtained freely.
3) The weapons aren't skinnable in QuakeLive AFAIK. Even if they were, I can't see anyone paying for additional weapon skins.
4) The average Quake player has taunts turned off. I can't see anyone paying for additional taunts. Furthermore, this game is rated T for Teen, so you would never see any taunts like what you're suggesting.
5) The average Quake player has music turned off, since it interferes with the in-game sounds of opposing player movements, etc. I can't see anyone paying for additional music.
6) Names can't be animated in QuakeLive AFAIK. Even if they were, I can't see anyone paying for animated names.

In the end, your suggestions are garbage, and would make id no money whatsoever. Quake isn't CoD, Halo, or CS, where people are foolishly parted from their money for such useless 'perks'.

It would work just fine... just like it does in every other F2P game.

Don't want changes? That's fine. Enjoy your empty game.

[pikaluva13]

It would work just fine... just like it does in every other F2P game.

Don't want changes? That's fine. Enjoy your empty game.

I'd suggest you go reread what I wrote before saying it'd work as well as any other F2P game.

[an00bis86]

It would work just fine... just like it does in every other F2P game.

Don't want changes? That's fine. Enjoy your empty game.

No, it wouldn't work. Please re-read what I wrote and give your head a shake.
My game isn't empty at all -- it's amazingly easy to find a match; please stop with the hyperboles.

BTW, Quake isn't like every other F2P game -- for starters, it isn't a CoD/CS/Halo knockoff.

[pikaluva13]

No, it wouldn't work. Please re-read what I wrote and give your head a shake.
My game isn't empty at all -- it's amazingly easy to find a match; please stop with the hyperboles.

BTW, Quake isn't like every other F2P game -- for starters, it isn't a CoD/CS/Halo knockoff.

inb4 he replies that it's a Quake 3 knockoff.

[SixtyFive]

it's amazingly easy to find a match; please stop with the hyperboles.

The irony.

BTW, Quake isn't like every other F2P game -- for starters, it isn't a CoD/CS/Halo knockoff.

Neither are TF2 and T:A, yet they manage to monetize without pissing off their communities.

[an00bis86]

The irony.

Neither are TF2 and T:A, yet they manage to monetize without pissing off their communities.

Irony? How so? I'm always able to find a match to play with friends on QuakeLive. Sorry it's apparently so difficult for you. :P

Pissing off the community? $25 a year is extremely cheap compared to the price of most new games. The community seems to perpetuate a vicious cycle in regards to the subscription -- arguing that they refuse to pay since no one takes advantage of the perks, and thus, if no one pays, no one is taking advantage of the perks, and the cycle continues. :P

If you can't afford to pay, that's fine too; it just means you can't vote for maps directly, and have to contend with the rotating map pool -- a map pool that includes content that was once deemed by the community to be "played by no one" since it was a perk for subscribing. In that respect, free users actually benefitted from the change of direction in terms of monetizing the game by id.

As I believe someone else mentionned in this thread, generally only people who are annoyed by something are vocal with their displeasure; thus, your view of the community being "pissed" is rather biased. :P